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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2007.06.07 00:04:00 -
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Before the tier 2 battlecruisers came on the field the Eagle HAC was the runt of the litter but still could be sold for about 40% of what the other HACs retailed.
Enter Drake and the Eagle can't even be thrown at passers by.
Can anyone tell me a good reason to fly these ships or even keep building them? Is it just me being bias or do they need a boost making them as viable a ship as any of the other HACs?
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2007.06.07 00:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Marquis Dean
I much prefer my Eagles to my Cerberus or my Deimos.
Iron tank, second only to the Sacrilege and serious dps, and no fitting or cap problems. Yes please.
And I don't see how the Drake has changed the role of the Eagle. The Eagles the gun one, you know that right?
In this game, odds are if you can't fly a ship well, it's your fault, not the ships.
The Drake comes into the picture as a caldari ship that's more bang for your buck in that it's cheaper to build & has an insane tank.
I have no problem flying it, it's just that since the Drake the sales have dropped to 0.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2007.06.07 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Gummi
Boost the Eagle!
erm, yea boost the Eagle.
It's a long time coming, seeing as caldari and slow missiles aren't as viable in PvP I'd suggest a boosted rate of fire on the Eagle.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2007.06.07 00:48:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 07/06/2007 00:51:15
I go by the cost of the materials needed to build, not what the Drake costs, I've already stated that the Drake is a cheap build by comparison yet it's killing the market for the Eagle as people don't bother with training guns for caldari pilots when they might as well skip right to the Drake.
Noteworthy is that I sell on location, never on pricecheck at hubs, there used to be a market here in the fringes, not anymore.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2007.06.07 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Patch86
The problem is that people expect HACs to be worth the 100mill or what have you they go for on the market. They're not.
check out their insurance price. Thats their base price- presumably, it is comparable with the T1 base price
You presume incorrectly. It is, quite simply, a function of the T1 materials cost.
There are plenty of things HAC's can do which BC's cannot. The Eagle is a great long range sniper, and one of the few individual ships which I am instantly afraid of as a Claw pilot.
(And no, BS are not comparable...while they can match the range, their tracking and sig resoloution are far, far worse!)
Also, for certain PvE situations, the Eagle can breeze through while the Drake would be pounded into dust in moments.
Without doubt, the Eagle and the Drake are very different ships with different capabilities. That wasn't really my point.
The base price is the cost of a 100% insurance pay out. I've read at least one dev before state that this is, in a way, a tool used to dictate a base price for units of minerals, seeing as you've set an NPC value for a particular mineral recipe.
I'm making one big assumption though, in that I have not the foggiest idea as to what the mineral ingredients of a T2 ship are, seeing as I don't manufacture T2
ships.
You can check any blueprint on the market, assume a certain ME value and do the math from there on. No I don't think the advanced material prices are anywhere near what CCP expected them to be given the terminal boredom and profitability of running a POS and the lack of materials and competition as a result. In short, production cost is well above what it can be insured for still.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2007.06.07 01:13:00 -
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Back to the topic on hand, why isn't the Eagle a viable commodity anymore? Compared to the other HACs and what it stealing the customers away, the lure of the Drake or something else entirely?
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